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Waylon Alan on Behavior - Sun, December 30 2007

Mom here. I need some help/advice/support. I know this post is kind of long to read, but if you have the time I would greatly appreciate your input.

We recently added Miss Ellie Mae the foster puppy to our mix. Waylon didn't like her trying to steal his toys all the time and would curl his lip or give her a low warning growl. Pretty typical in my mind. Everyone needs to learn their boundaries and the puppy needs to learn to play nice. No one is EVER left alone together unattended. So I figure with a watchful eye all will be ok. I would remind Waylon to "be nice" or "be easy" and give the puppy something else to occupy herself with.

Waylon has always been very good with other big dogs. Not too much time spent with small dogs, at least since he has been with us. Him and Dixie get along well and he loved Conga, our friend's dog who roomed with us for a few months in the summer.

Ellie Mae is a VERY playful, active, and nippy puppy. She is also very smart and sweet when she wants to be. She enjoys playing with Waylon and most of the time he enjoys her.

However, there have been 2 times now when he has gotten aggressive with her, once being tonight. I am right there with them, thinking I am keeping an eye on everything and everyone. The first time it was over a toy. This time tonight I am not so sure. It was feeding time. I was fixing the bowls which were on the counter. Everyone eats in separtae places. Waylon and Ellie Mae eat in their crates and Dixie eats in the kitchen. Everyone knows they have to go to their places before they will get their food. For some reason while Ellie Mae was bouncing around and yes, jumping on Waylon he turned on her. Now he could have really hurt her if he wanted too, I'm sure. She yelped and cried like he had taken a leg off but just ended up with a scratch above her eye. As soon as I yelled at him he stopped and took off to his crate. I assume the whole "feeding time" may have played into this but him and Dixie have never had a problem. From now on everyone has to be in their feeding spot before I start fixing the meal. But why did he go off like that in the first place? There wasn't even any food to be had. He is usually just so sweet and docile and very submissive to Dixie. Why does he have this beef with the puppy?

I just don't know what to think. Waylon is 6 but we have only had him for 6 months and don't know much about where he came from before that. I think he was neglected but deffinately not fought. He was fostered before we got him and showed no dog aggression there. After we got him, Waylon and another small dog got into a scuffel, no harm to either dog, but the other smaller dog had been acting aggresively towards him.

Ellie Mae is great and is going to make the right person a wonderful and beautiful dog. I am committed to keeping her as long as need be to find her the right home. It would be a few more weeks until she could leave anyways because she is not old enough to get fixed. My husband wants to keep her and I think he is blaming all of this on Waylon. He says we don't know anything about his past and there was probably a "reason" he was running stray and no one wanted him back. I would love to keep Ellie Mae but even before this I didn't think that is the best idea(if for no other reason than the add responsibility of more vet bills). I feel heartbroke that she is hurt, eventhough it isn't bad and just as heartbroke for Waylon because I feel like we have caused a bad situation for him. As the pack leader what do I do to create harmony?

I just want everyone to get along! Do you think he just doesn't like "small dogs" and since she is a puppy views her that way? Is this a behavior that is going to worsen?

Any help or advice is welcomed. I am going to see what other information I can find online.

Thanks alot for hanging in there and reading all this if I still have your attention=)

Connie on Dec 30 at 09:09 PM

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Batman and Joe only get along part of the time. I am fostering Joe and before that Batman was top dog on the totem pole. Joe is much bigger. But, Batman still pretty much runs things. However, I generally only let them play a few minutes at a time. If I let it go on too long, it turns into a fight over something. I crate one and let the other one spend time with us. It isn't as easy as if all the dogs got along, but it is safer for everyone. Several of my working dog friends never let their multiple dogs socialize with each other.

You may just need to crate one or the other more.

Good luck

Gunner on Dec 30 at 09:47 PM

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I'm no expert, but it sounds like he's getting annoyed with her puppy antics. As we all know, puppies can be quite bothersome (especially to an older dog who doesn't want to play like that).Obviously, I would always watch them and separate them whenever things get too tense. Hopefully, she'll learn not to mess with him, and things will get better.

Taijah on Dec 30 at 10:11 PM

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I agree with Gunner. It really sounds like the puppy is on his last nerve and he is trying to put her in her place. I also agree with Connie. Crate and rotate. I'm sure it will all work out. You did a great job with him and I think this is just an adjustment period for everyone.

Yogi on Dec 30 at 10:38 PM

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Well, I have to admit, I get irritated with other dogs sometimes, especially if there is a ball involved. I will also be mean to Teddy at times, but he's so non-confrontational, it doesn't evolve into a fight. Mama yells at me when I am mean to Teddy. I don't know why we do the things we do, but I don't think he would actually hurt her, but I'm not an expert (obviously). Good job for committing to a foster!

Mikey on Dec 31 at 12:24 AM

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ok, here is what i would do. keep any toys put up when those two are together, even if you are in the room. since she is a puppy, she just doesn't understand the "boundaries", and it's likely she somehow crossed them, it could have been something as simple as a "look", and that did it for him. now, with feeding time. i won't even prepare the dogs food unless either mikey is by himself, or separated already in another room. he has lashed out at jasper like that a time or two, so i don't chance it. jasper is on the other side of the basement door, mike is in the kitchen. (joe is someplace downstairs in "joe land", doing somersaults or something, LOL)so i would put all the dogs in their crates BEFORE you even get started mixing up their food. that and don't let them have toys together. with this breed, a fight can break out faster than you can stop it, even if you are really close by, watching. it's easier to just make some changes in your routine to avoid this happening again. i've had to change up my routine so many times, LOL, they all just go with the flow. hope this helps! P.S. that pup is a cutie!!!! :)

Charlie on Dec 31 at 10:01 AM

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We've had the exact same issues with young Daisy and Charlie! Last night he attacked her and was barely provoked...she just got too close while he was snuggling with Dad. He was severely reprimanded; i.e. I made him sit and stay while we got a leash, then I put the leash on him and walked him outside, where he had to stay for a bit. It was made pretty clear that he is not allowed to have that kind of behavior. However, he has issues with treats and special toys, so I'm sure it could happen again. We parents must always be diligent and watchful, I guess! We're trying to give him special time, so he realizes that we still love him, AND Daisy...He's pretty mopey a lot, since she came along.

Waylon Alan on Dec 31 at 10:10 AM

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Thanks for all the help and advice. We are going to do more of the "crate and rotate" like Taijah suggested and make everyone go to their feeding spot before I even start mixing up the meal like Mikey and Joe do. Hopefully this will put and end to any more squabbles. I was just so shocked by Waylon's behavior. He has always been so docile and submissive. I never imagined this puppy would be more irritating to him than when we had the roomie's dog, Conga, in the house. Of course I also feel so horrible and guilty. I think I am doing such a good job of being watchful but it just goes to show you how fast something can happen and you have to be prepared for anything. Hopefully I will get some hits from Ellie Mae's Petfinder post and we can place her as soon as she is healed from her spay in a few weeks. Until then wish us luck! Thanks again for all your help!

Connie on Dec 31 at 10:35 AM

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Another thing to remember is to think like the dog if possible and not how you think of your dogs. Dogs love to resource guard. Joe and Batman both see me as the resource of food, shelter and love. They don't understand that I wish they would just lay on the floor side by side and be buds. They want to continually see who is going to be second dog to me. Second dog (in their minds) is going to get more of everything and hence survive. They don't understand I don't think that everyone is going to get the food, water and shelter for as long as they are here.

That's one of the theories an animal behavorialist threw out about Joe Boxer. I saved him and provided food, water and shelter. He didn't have anything so now he has to guard that resource carefully so it won't go away. Hence, if anyone gets close to me, he growls. No one can take away his safety net.

Mama Muttblood^..^ on Dec 31 at 08:44 PM

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I really love Connie's advice about thinking like a dog. When I am at the end of my rope and things aren't going the way I want them to with training, etc. I stop and remember that I need to be thinking like a dog. Usually it comes pretty automatically (no comments about my intelligence, please) but sometimes I overthink or get easily irritated. Even though Maddie and Sydney have now been together 3 years, there are still times of tension between them, and I try to read their signals WAY ahead of the time when there is any acting out.

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